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THE RAPTURE QUESTION


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THE RAPTURE QUESTION

by apologista
 

The Rapture Question


 The timing of the rapture is an extremely emotional issue.  Those who hold to the pre-tribulation position are so adamant; nothing can change their mind.  If you have looked into this issue, you may have your mind made up but try and stay open.  There is a lot of good literature on the subject and I am going to refer you to a couple of different websites, as well as recommend some books.  Again, I am not into arguing or changing anyone’s mind.  Only God can do that and we all answer to Him alone.  The only problem is, if you are a Christian and believe in the pre-trib rapture, you won’t ever be a “Tribulation saint”… that is, unless, possibly, you are wrong….

For those who are new to this, there are different positions on the “rapture of the church.”  Some think it will occur before the tribulation (generally considered although not technically the last seven years), some at the midpoint prior to the Great Tribulation and some at the end.  So we have the pre, mid and post-tribulation positions.  There are other variations, including those who don’t believe in the rapture at all.  The pre-tribulation rapture was popularized by Hal Lindsey in “The Late Great Planet Earth” and later by “The Left Behind” series of novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins.  The basic idea is that God can’t allow the church to be judged so it will rapture before the tribulation begins, leaving the world in chaos for the antichrist to take over. 

There are a couple of problems with this theory, not the least of which is that no sooner do Christians leave, there are new ones being “born again” and suffering tribulation.  I fail to see the distinction between them and me other than timing.  I also somehow fail to understand what the modern church has done so well to deserve anything less than tribulation.  The second major problem with this theory is that they confuse the “tribulation” of the saints who are suffering the wrath of Satan and the unbelievers with God’s wrath.  That is why I would highly recommend Marvin Rosenthal’s book on “The Pre-Wrath Rapture” where he points out that the church raptures at the end of the Tribulation before God judges the earth when the final trumpet sounds.  Also see various books by Dave MacPherson, one of the foremost authorities and researchers on the subject.

I’m going to give you a number of places for you to continue your research:

                    http://www.tribwatch.com/

These are but a few examples.  There are many.  Bottom line, conventional wisdom may lead to deception.  Please be careful.  I used to think the rapture issue didn’t matter.  The only problem with that line of reasoning is that one is true and the other a false doctrine.

If you believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, the study of last days prophecy may become just another interesting and academic exercise for the Christian who is convinced this is the case.  It also sets that person up for deception because if prophesied events occur such as the Gog Magog War and the Treaty between the antichrist and Israel (more on that later) and they are still here, it may be rather difficult to recognize what is really happening.  If the pre-tribbers are correct, I’m very happy and have an “early out.”   But if they are wrong and it occurs at the end of the Tribulation, I’m going to prepare for it and be looking for events.

Frankly, all of the arguments for a pre-trib rapture are based on reading things into the Scripture that do not square with the straightforward reading of Scriptures.  I challenge anyone to just read Matthew 24:1-31 to read that and see anything else happening but the saints being caught up to meet the Lord in the air as the last trumpet sounds.  Again, I refer you to the books and articles referenced for the details.  There is one other persuasive argument, which we will deal with later, and that is the matter of the Two Witnesses, which we believe to be the church (the two lamp stands) and the nation of Israel (the two olive trees).  In other words, two corporate Witnesses (God’s physical and spiritual peoples) are needed before the trial and judgment of the earth.

The weight of scripture should all point in the same direction.  Scripture reinforces scripture.  Those who argue for a pre-tribulation rapture use circular reasoning, obscure verses and parables to prove their position.

I would like to compare two descriptions and timelines of Daniel’s 70th week.

1.      Matthew 24:5 and Revelation 6:1-2 talk about the First Seal rise of the Antichrist who conquers by deception.

2.      Matthew 24:6-7a and Revelation 6:3-4 discuss the Second Seal, the wars and rumors of wars.

3.      Matthew 24:7b and Revelation 6:5-6, the Third Seal, brings famines.

4.      Matthew 24:7c-8 and Revelation 6:7-8, the Fourth Seal, brings earthquake, death and pestilence.

5.      Matthew 24:9 and Revelation 6:9-11, the Fifth Seal, reveals a faithful remnant who are killed for the sake of their testimony.

6.      Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24-25, Luke 21:25 and Revelation 6:12-13 all talk about the same thing - immediately after the tribulation of those days, shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.   We quote from Matthew but they all say essentially the same thing - there are these specific signs in the heavens.   Then,

7.      Matthew 24:30-31, Mark 13:26-27, Luke 21:27, Revelation 6:14-17  All three accounts say essentially the same thing.  Matthew says, “and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.  And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.”  In Revelation, the nations mourn for the wrath of God is come.

It is clear from these verses that there are these cosmic disturbances and the trumpets followed by the return of the Lord and the rapture.  Rather than going into detail, I am going to give you the verses in the Old and New Testament that refer to the “Day of the Lord.”  (Joel 1:15, 2:1-2, 10-11,30-31, Amos 5:18-20, Isaiah 13:6-13, Zeph. 1:14-2:3).  Each one of these verses refers to the same cosmic disturbances, the darkening of the sun, a day of clouds and thick darkness, a time of divine wrath, destruction, etc.  It is clear that our Lord comes on the “Day of the Lord” and this is clearly at the end of the 70th week as noted in Matthew 24 and Revelation 6.

Now, we go to I Thessalonians 5:1-3 

Now as to the times and epochs, brethren, you have no need of anything to be written to you.  For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night.  While they are saying, ‘Peace and safety!’ then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape. 

See also II Peter 3:10-12 for another verse on the day of the Lord.   We see another thing the verses above have in common - trumpets.  Joel 2:1 begins to announce the day of the Lord with a trumpet.  I Corinthians 15:51-52  places the rapture “at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.”  So we see the cosmic disturbances, the trumpet and the Lord’s return - all on the same day.

One of the major rapture passages is II Thessalonians 2,

“Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him” (verse 1) 

Please note.  This is one of the main “rapture” verses.  There are no indications that there is a seven-year period between these two events.  In fact, the verses that follow deals with the question of when.  It warns us not to listen to people who tell us the day of the Lord has come if these events have not occurred.  We continue,

that you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.  Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.  (verses 2-4).  The passage goes to say that the Lord will take care of the Antichrist by “the appearance of His coming.”  (verse 8)

What will not come?  What is “it”?  It should be clear from these passages that the rapture cannot occur until after this event which is referred to in other passages as the Abomination of Desolation.  Just as an aside, most think this refers to offering sacrifices in the rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, and that may be but we believe it may refer to the ultimate desecration of the true temple - man. 

I would like to conclude this brief discussion of the rapture by a quote from Marvin Rosenthal’s excellent work, The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. 

“Perhaps here is the ultimate error of pretribulation rapturism.  It holds out the false hope of imminent rapture, instead of the true hope of expectant rapture.   By expectant rapture it is meant that every generation since the first century would have been the generation that entered the seventieth week to experience the Rapture.  Only the generation that actually enters the seventieth week will know the general time period.  To that generation the Lord says, ‘So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things (events of the seventieth week) know that it (His return) is near, even at the doors’ (Matt 24:33)  A careful appeal to verses said to teach immanency (no prophesied events must occur before the Rapture) will reveal that what they actually teach is expectancy.”  (Marvin Rosenthal, The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church, p. 282). 

He points out that a pre-tribulation position negates the “God-given” warnings and admonitions to the church.   

I see nothing in the modern “Church” which would somehow exempt her from the suffering saints down through the ages have paid for their faith.  In fact, there may be some very good reason for judgment to begin at the “house of God.”  But the biggest difference is that we see this as the churches finest hour, its most glorious moment.

What are We Really Made of?

Tribulation is and always has been the ultimate test for the church.  When the church looks no different than the society it is a part of, something is wrong.  The divorce rate in the church exceeds the divorce rate in America.  So how many of America’s churches are really solid Bible believing churches.  Let me ask you some questions:

  • How many Churches believe in the basics of the faith and the Bible as the inspired Word of God?

  • What percentage of those that attend are really committed versus nominal, cultural Christians? 

  • How many are just going through the motions? 

  • How many really experience the presence of the Lord, get into the Word, and let Him speak to them? 

  • How many have the maturity to stand in the face of adversity? 

  • How many put the Lord first in terms of their time?  Their energy?  Their money?

  • How many have the clear practical priority that our Lord and His kingdom are the most important things in their life? 

  • How many radiate the love and joy of the Lord to people around them? 

  • How many preach the gospel in season and out - regularly? 

  • How many Christians are discipling at least one other young Christian? 

  • How many Christians would willingly give up all their possessions, their bank accounts, their retirement and everything they have ever accomplished in this world to stand for their faith? 

  • How many Christians are willing to suffer criticism and rejection from other “so called Christian friends and relatives who seem to be going along with the main stream?

  • How many are willing to turn off their TV to spend time with the Lord? 

  • How many are willing to put off their fishing trip to help a brother move? 

  • How many are minoring in being a Christian and majoring in something else?  (a career, family, etc.) 

  • How many are paying the price today so that they will be ready tomorrow? 

  • How many Christians really think these are the last days?  How many even care?

Again Rosenthal says:

“Many who name the name of Christ want the church to provide entertainment, not worship.   They want the church to provide a hedged-in, antiseptic, country-club atmosphere, not a Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in” philosophy (Luke 14:22).  Apart from some notable exceptions, at the present hour the church is splintered, polarized, carnal, materialistic, humanistic and impotent.  The world is burning, and the church is fiddling (ibid., p. 295)

To say that the Lord can’t possibly allow the lukewarm, pleasure loving, self-loving, self absorbed, carnal, materialistic, humanistic “Church” to suffer a little persecution is an affront to God and every Christian who has given his life for their Savior.

When Will the End Come?

I am not some fanatic to say the world is going to end and the Lord will be back by such and such a date.  But anyone, including Herod, could and did read the Old Testament, and knew the approximate time of the arrival of the Messiah.  The Lord upbraided His generation for being able to forecast the weather but not understand the signs of the times.  We are told we won’t know the “day or the hour” the Lord returns, so we use that as an excuse for ignoring the obvious.  The Lord upbraided the religious establishment for not reading the signs of the times.

Many Christians felt betrayed when the last days - the last seven years, didn’t begin in 1988, exactly 40 years after the founding of the nation of Israel.  But the Bible says Jerusalem would be trodden down of the Gentiles until the end…and when you see the fig tree bloom - Jerusalem restored - know that this generation would not pass away until all these things come to pass (this is in the context of Matthew 24, the Tribulation and the return of the Lord).  Jerusalem was restored to Israel in 1967 and officially became the capital of Israel in 1981… so the 40-year countdown would begin until one of those dates.  This is not my opinion but the observation of many evangelical leaders today.  This would put the beginning of the tribulation at 2004 and the return of the Lord t 2011.  This is but one theory.  The Gog Magog War and the Treaty between the antichrist and Israel will herald the beginning so we have not seen either of these events as yet.

It seems that Christian leaders would like to protect us from these prophecies lest we become frightened.  They want us to be assured that the Rapture will take care of everything.  They tell us not to worry. - just trust them.  Is this really wise?  No, these prophecies were written for us to read and understand.  There is a special blessing for us in Revelation 1:3, for those who read, understand and heed.  But if we ignore the clear warning of God, we do so at our own peril.  If I am a last days Christian, there is nothing more important for me in the whole world than to understand and pay close attention to prophecy.   If these are the last days, then these prophecies were meant for you and me.  They weren’t that relevant to a Christian living 200 years ago.  But they are to us!  In the last chapter of Daniel, he says that these prophecies concerning the last days were sealed until the end and then they will be revealed to us who really “need to know.”

So many Christians, even some close to me, say “we don’t need to worry.  Everything will be okay.  When the time comes, the Lord will take care of us.”  If that were so, then why did He bother to warn us?  Why is so much of the Bible “last days” prophecy?  Why bother to warn us there would be a great deception?… that even the elect will be deceived?… that there will be an apostate church?… that we won’t be able to operate on the surface financially without taking the mark of the beast… and that we will suffer the worst persecution the church has ever seen?  I don’t understand why Christians don’t see that this is very important information to them personally.

So we have three groups of evangelicals:

1.      The old-line evangelical says not to worry - the church will rapture before the Tribulation.

2.   The “new” evangelical - believes the church is to take dominion over the earth before the Lord can come back - as a prerequisite to his return.

3.   There are a few voices crying in the wilderness like ours.  We are basically old line in our beliefs, but feel the doctrine of the pre-Tribulation rapture is dangerously in error.  This is not a doctrine of the church fathers but was “discovered” a little over 150 years ago.  Please see books by Dave MacPherson for thoroughly researched details.

This is not a trivial point as some would say they are “Pan Rapture” - that everything will “pan” out in the end.  This is a serious Biblical question with tremendous personal implications.  It didn’t matter to Paul, or Martin Luther or Dwight Moody.  They are gone.  But it may matter to you and me.  We are ignoring at least one fourth of the Bible - prophecy that applies specifically to the last days Christians and Jews.

Most modern evangelical eschatologists (people who study the last days) such as Dwight Pentecost, John Woolvord, etc, agree that the two things must precede the Tribulation (the Gog Magog War and the “Treaty of Hell and Death” between the Anti-Christ and Israel), so the Rapture could not occur until then.   But if those two events occur, and we are still here, it may be too late.  The Church may be too far gone in its apostasy.  Individual Christians may not be ready - either spiritually or practically.  And anyone aware of current events knows, these two political events could happen at any moment.

All we are saying is that we must take prophecy seriously.  Don’t take my word for it.  Read it yourself.  Let the Lord speak to you.  Study the Word.  Then ask yourself, if I am a last days Christian, what should I do to get ready?  How do I spend my last few years?  What can I do to help the bride be ready?  What are my priorities?

I have had to wrestle with these questions again and again but I can’t stop the sound of the clock ticking down - in Israel…in the world.  I’m no different than you.  I can easily get caught up in the world and in the cares of life.  I can ignore the ticking for a while but then the gentle (and sometimes not so gentle) nudging of the Spirit reminds me.  I gave my life to the Lord many years ago but there have been wasted years.  I have not always walked in His perfect will - far from it.  And I know that in eternity my greatest regret will be those years, those lost opportunities, those misplaced priorities.  With time about to run out, what kind of people should we be?  As Jim Elliott, the famous missionary martyred by Auca Indians in Ecuador, said “What shall it profit a man if he gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose?”  The time has come to make that decision and let it work through our lives in very practical ways.

The point is this.  I believe God is speaking to us, the last generation of saints to live on the earth before His return.  He is going to need our undivided love, attention and obedience like never before in history.  We are an integral part of His great plan and purpose.  We are His testimony on the earth.  We are living proof that the Creator came down, paid the price for our sin and rebellion, and now indwells us, and transforms us into a corporate testimony - as the world declares “Behold how they love one another.”  (John 15:  )  Above all, we are to be His witnesses - in our personal lives, in our families and in our Christian communities.  God can’t witness for Himself but needs two witnesses to try and judge the world.  He needs the corporate testimony of the Church and Israel.  But if Christians and Jews continue to harden their hearts to God, will He not judge both?  We are dreaming if we think God will apply a lower standard to His physical and spiritual people.  Most Jews and so-called Christians are in the world and in unbelief.  His righteous nature demands judgment of His people before He can judge the world.

What sense do you get of the times that are approaching when you read Matthew 24?  Read it now.  It is not just of foreboding because of the horror, but also of the glory before us.  You and I are being called to the Church’s finest hour.  It is time to come out of the closet as Christians, to come out of the world, to warn people, to preach the gospel, to be built up closely with one another.  It is time to forsake all distractions and ask the Lord to purify us and free us from the power of the age.  It is time to ask the Lord to open our eyes to prophecy, to our true spiritual condition and the condition of the world and the church.  This is an Army you must volunteer for.  God is calling you, but if you don’t respond, He will move on to someone else.  In Revelation 12:11, he declares of the last day’s believer that “we overcame by the blood of the lamb, by the word of our testimony and we loved not our lives even unto death.”  The “last days” Church will find its glory in martyrdom. 

We Have a Glorious Reward.

I’m sorry if this scares you, but it isn’t my idea.   I have people say to me - “that isn’t my blessed hope!   My God will never allow the church to suffer.”   These people may be in for a rude awakening.  Besides, I don’t understand their objection.  To me, this will be the church’s finest hour with a special blessing for those involved.  The Bible says that the Great Tribulation will be the worst tribulation the church has ever seen (Matthew 24:21).  But do you also realize that there is a special blessing for those last days Christians that go through and even give their lives during the Tribulation.  Revelation 20:4 says, “And I saw thrones, and they that sat upon them.  And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus, and because of the word of God and those who had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand, and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Can you imagine that?  “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.  This is the first resurrection. (Revelation 20:5).  All of the other saints have to wait until the after the millennium  but the “tribulation saint” who overcomes or even gives his life, rules and reigns with Christ for the thousand years!!!  Now that is a promise worth being excited about.  So for those who worry about a little suffering during the Tribulation, not only do we have an important role to play as God’s witnesses in the trial of the world, we have the greatest reward - to reign with Christ in the Millennium!  Sorry, the pre-tribulation rapture would rob us of the most wonderful opportunity ever given to a saint!  Saints and angels down through all ages envy our opportunity.  Can’t you just see them now? 

apologista | marzo 28, 2012 at 2:24 am | Etiquetas: question, RAPTURE, TRIBULATION | URL: http://wp.me/p6Hrw-el9

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